Ian Horning
12/29/2016 4:29:00 AM@primetime It is more likely that anyone who catches a fish with bait, regardless of how they handle the fish, has a greater chance of killing the fish than with virtually any other lure type. But don't listen to my "elitist" views, listen to the people who actually have studied this. A recent study found that the mid-range mortality of fish caught with bait was 10% versus a 1-3% rate from lures and flies. I'm just not trying to kill fish. So yeah, I discourage bait for those reasons.
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Ironic that you want me to keep my opinion to myself but you have no problem wanting to share your own.
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Ironic that you want me to keep my opinion to myself but you have no problem wanting to share your own.
cscottchurch
12/29/2016 11:33:00 AM@PrimeTime, as a matter of fact, I HAVE caught, handled, & released countless steelhead on bait, lures, and flies, including 20 lb. class fish, and have been doing so for more than 40 years... and virtually every word of what Mr. Horning said is correct. Mortality rates in released fish are determined by a variety of factors including hook size, hooking location (deep or shallow), bait vs. artificial lures, and barbed vs. barbless hooks, all of which are interrelated. While barbless hooks don't appear to impact hooking location and wound severity at statistically significant levels, they significantly reduce handling time and damage prior to release, and the use of artificial lures over bait significantly reduces mortality rates due both wound severity and handling. If you want references with numbers, here are 3 peer-reviewed studies you can start with, including one meta-analysis of several other such studies (Taylor & White, 1992; Diggles & Ernst, 1997; DuBois & Pleski, 2007).
And BTW, I have a news flash for you... The definition of "bias" is not "pisses me off." Equating the two as you have done is a basic logical fallacy known as Poisoning the Well that wouldn't get past any high school logic student (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well). To credibly demonstrate bias in these studies, or those from the Wild Steelhead Coalition, you need to do something that it would appear you haven't done to date--visit a library, learn something about fisheries biology and management, and assume some responsibility for stewarding the resource.
Perhaps if you spent more time in these activities rather than casting aspersions about the knowledge and sportsmanship of "elitists" like Mr. Horning, you might acquire some of both yourself... and in so doing, earn the right to share the river with men like him.
REFERENCES
Diggles, B. K. & I. Ernst. 1997. "Hooking mortality of two species of shallow-water reef fish caught by recreational angling methods." Marine and Freshwater Research 48(6) 479 - 483. Available online at http://www.publish.csiro.au/mf/MF96108. Accessed Dec. 29. 2016.
DuBois, R.B. & J.M. Pleski. 2007. "Hook Shedding and Mortality of Deeply Hooked Brook Trout Caught with Bait on Barbed and Barbless Hooks." North American Journal of Fisheries Management, Vol. 27(4). Available online at http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1577/M06-276.1. Accessed Dec. 29. 2016.
Taylor, M.J. & K.R. White. 1992. "A Meta-Analysis of Hooking Mortality of Nonanadromous Trout." North American Journal of Fisheries Management, Vol. 12(4). Available online at http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8675(1992)012%3C0760%3AAMAOHM%3E2.3.CO%3B2. Accessed Dec. 29. 2016.
And BTW, I have a news flash for you... The definition of "bias" is not "pisses me off." Equating the two as you have done is a basic logical fallacy known as Poisoning the Well that wouldn't get past any high school logic student (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_the_well). To credibly demonstrate bias in these studies, or those from the Wild Steelhead Coalition, you need to do something that it would appear you haven't done to date--visit a library, learn something about fisheries biology and management, and assume some responsibility for stewarding the resource.
Perhaps if you spent more time in these activities rather than casting aspersions about the knowledge and sportsmanship of "elitists" like Mr. Horning, you might acquire some of both yourself... and in so doing, earn the right to share the river with men like him.
REFERENCES
Diggles, B. K. & I. Ernst. 1997. "Hooking mortality of two species of shallow-water reef fish caught by recreational angling methods." Marine and Freshwater Research 48(6) 479 - 483. Available online at http://www.publish.csiro.au/mf/MF96108. Accessed Dec. 29. 2016.
DuBois, R.B. & J.M. Pleski. 2007. "Hook Shedding and Mortality of Deeply Hooked Brook Trout Caught with Bait on Barbed and Barbless Hooks." North American Journal of Fisheries Management, Vol. 27(4). Available online at http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1577/M06-276.1. Accessed Dec. 29. 2016.
Taylor, M.J. & K.R. White. 1992. "A Meta-Analysis of Hooking Mortality of Nonanadromous Trout." North American Journal of Fisheries Management, Vol. 12(4). Available online at http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8675(1992)012%3C0760%3AAMAOHM%3E2.3.CO%3B2. Accessed Dec. 29. 2016.
cscottchurch
12/29/2016 12:57:00 PMPS - A simple check of Mr. Horning's Wild Steelhead Coalition link reveals that it is not just a "a snapshot from from their magazine," but a 20-page PDF report that draws on *numerous* case studies, statistically significant datasets, well-characterized methods, and extensive citations to peer-reviewed scientific research throughout. The content is presented in a web-based interactive FlipHTML5 format that should've been straightforward for you to navigate. Had you bothered to examine it closely before responding, you might have noticed that.
Just sayin'...
Just sayin'...
